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		<title>By: Hardingco Blog » Blog Archive » More About To-Do Lists and their Ilk &#124; Email Marketing Tool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hardingco Blog » Blog Archive » More About To-Do Lists and their Ilk &#124; Email Marketing Tool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ford Harding added an interesting post today on Hardingco Blog &#194;&#187; Blog Archive &#194;&#187; More About To-Do Lists and their IlkHere&#8217;s a small readingI use a planner and list each day the things I want to accomplish, this has worked out much better for me than the legal pad list that never ended was working! To accept your challenge, I have switched to web based email and am now &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ford Harding added an interesting post today on Hardingco Blog &Acirc;&raquo; Blog Archive &Acirc;&raquo; More About To-Do Lists and their IlkHere&#8217;s a small readingI use a planner and list each day the things I want to accomplish, this has worked out much better for me than the legal pad list that never ended was working! To accept your challenge, I have switched to web based email and am now &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ford Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle:
What an excellent idea!  I never thought of it and it's so obvious.  I bet lots of people will benefit from your comment.  I will try to build up my resolve to do the same.
Ford Harding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle:<br />
What an excellent idea!  I never thought of it and it&#8217;s so obvious.  I bet lots of people will benefit from your comment.  I will try to build up my resolve to do the same.<br />
Ford Harding</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Dunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I get older I keep more and more lists. I use a planner and list each day the things I want to accomplish, this has worked out much better for me than the legal pad list that never ended was working!
To accept your challenge, I have switched to web based email and am now handling each email once. I used to read them and say, I will get to that later. Now, I am going to handle my emails as I handle my inbox and only handle each email once.
I am quite sure this will save me a lot of time and stress with the amount of emails I receive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I get older I keep more and more lists. I use a planner and list each day the things I want to accomplish, this has worked out much better for me than the legal pad list that never ended was working!<br />
To accept your challenge, I have switched to web based email and am now handling each email once. I used to read them and say, I will get to that later. Now, I am going to handle my emails as I handle my inbox and only handle each email once.<br />
I am quite sure this will save me a lot of time and stress with the amount of emails I receive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Harding</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2008/10/15/more-about-to-do-lists-and-their-ilk/comment-page-1/#comment-13426</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Matt:

Thanks for your comment and your persistence in making sure that I got it.  Your description of David Allen's Getting Things Done is far clearer than I could have ever provided.  I am reminded of why I referred to it as graduate-level to-do listing.  I am a bit winded just from reading your descripton.

Seriously, I do not doubt that this is an excellent approach for some people, even many people, though not for all.  The kinds of things that I would suggest putting on a Not-to-Do List don't belong on a Get-to-Someday list.  These are things you should wean yourself from doing--forever.  The To-Do list may include things you need to do to get rid of them.  Only when you have gotten rid of them do they come off your Not-To-Do List.

Ford Harding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Matt:</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and your persistence in making sure that I got it.  Your description of David Allen&#8217;s Getting Things Done is far clearer than I could have ever provided.  I am reminded of why I referred to it as graduate-level to-do listing.  I am a bit winded just from reading your descripton.</p>
<p>Seriously, I do not doubt that this is an excellent approach for some people, even many people, though not for all.  The kinds of things that I would suggest putting on a Not-to-Do List don&#8217;t belong on a Get-to-Someday list.  These are things you should wean yourself from doing&#8211;forever.  The To-Do list may include things you need to do to get rid of them.  Only when you have gotten rid of them do they come off your Not-To-Do List.</p>
<p>Ford Harding</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Handal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Handal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ford,

I like your Rainmaking book and I like your blog. I respect all that you have contributed to the marketing body of knowledge, especially in the construction industry. Please realize that I make the following statement out of love and respect…that was the most p*ss poor explanation of David Allen's Getting Things Done (GTD) method I have ever read. 

Here is a better one....

“Get everything out of your head. Make decisions about actions required on stuff when it shows up—not when it blows up. Organize reminders of your projects and the next actions on them in appropriate categories. Keep your system current, complete, and reviewed sufficiently to trust your intuitive choices about what you're doing (and not doing) at any time.” - David Allen

So to try and simplify that, the GTD method works off the premise that there are more things to do than you can possibly do.  Allen's methods (its really a workflow) are about capturing every commitment you have into a "trusted" system. By reviewing that trusted system each week, you can make decisions about what to do and feel "ok" about what you are not doing. 

In the GTD method, your "not-to-do" list would fall in a couple places. First, these items might appear on your Someday/Maybe list. For example "Draft table of contents for that great book I'm going to write," might appear there. Another place might be your Waiting For list. This is where you store the things you have delegated to or expect from others. For example "Ford Harding RE: Angry response to my flame post."  Another place would be your next actions list. This outlines the next physical action you need to take to move a project forward. For example, "Call Randy RE: PPP article idea."

The problem with To Do lists is that they often list projects or goals. 

To DO: Clean the Garage

There is no "TO DO" list in GTD. Let me repeat that… there is no “TO DO” list in GTD. Instead, there are Project/Desired Outcome and Next Physical Actions Lists

For example: 

Project: Clean Garage So Jimmy Can Move in There
Next Action: Call Uncle Bob RE: Does he want Old Fridge?

By defining the next physical action, the task no longer seems daunting. This helps combat procrastination. 

Another major point that you have to understand is that you have to make decisions about your “stuff” up front. For example, you may get this email, “Ford, stop blogging and pick up the dry cleaning! – Love Mom.” Now you have to make some decisions about this request. 

What do I do?

2 Minute Rule (Can I do this in two minutes?): Automatic Do – see below 
Do: Drive to dry cleaners RE: pickup 
Delegate: Tell little Billy to get the laundry (this would be captured on your Waiting For list)
Defer – Specific time:  Drive to dry cleaners at noon RE: Pickup
Defer – As soon as you can get to it: Drive to dry cleaners RE: Pickup
Someday/Maybe: “She’s got enough clothes, maybe I’ll do it someday.”

Basically, David Allen’s GTD method solves the issues you are talking about

You were told, “One of the people who works for me froze up when his list got too long.” 

Tell this person to buy two copies of David Allen’s Getting Things Done book: One for him/her and one for the employee. Then they should work together to implement the system. The boss should also help the employee determine what can be delegated. People often don’t delegate out of fear. “They won’t do it as well as I would.” We can’t let “perfect” be the enemy of “good enough.” 

They need to work together to define projects/desired outcomes and determine the next physical action needed to move each project forward. Projects can not be done, only physical actions. 

In reality, the average person should have about 200 next actions captured in their trusted system. If you don’t capture these things into a trusted system, you have 200 open loops floating around in your head. This is what causes frustration, procrastination, and inefficiency. 

Here are some links you and your readers can check out to become more informed about the GTD Method.

http://7pproductions.com/blog/2008/02/18/a-primer-on-getting-things-done/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_things_done

http://www.davidco.com/what_is_gtd.php

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/15-10/ff_allen?currentPage=all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ford,</p>
<p>I like your Rainmaking book and I like your blog. I respect all that you have contributed to the marketing body of knowledge, especially in the construction industry. Please realize that I make the following statement out of love and respect…that was the most p*ss poor explanation of David Allen&#8217;s Getting Things Done (GTD) method I have ever read. </p>
<p>Here is a better one&#8230;.</p>
<p>“Get everything out of your head. Make decisions about actions required on stuff when it shows up—not when it blows up. Organize reminders of your projects and the next actions on them in appropriate categories. Keep your system current, complete, and reviewed sufficiently to trust your intuitive choices about what you&#8217;re doing (and not doing) at any time.” - David Allen</p>
<p>So to try and simplify that, the GTD method works off the premise that there are more things to do than you can possibly do.  Allen&#8217;s methods (its really a workflow) are about capturing every commitment you have into a &#8220;trusted&#8221; system. By reviewing that trusted system each week, you can make decisions about what to do and feel &#8220;ok&#8221; about what you are not doing. </p>
<p>In the GTD method, your &#8220;not-to-do&#8221; list would fall in a couple places. First, these items might appear on your Someday/Maybe list. For example &#8220;Draft table of contents for that great book I&#8217;m going to write,&#8221; might appear there. Another place might be your Waiting For list. This is where you store the things you have delegated to or expect from others. For example &#8220;Ford Harding RE: Angry response to my flame post.&#8221;  Another place would be your next actions list. This outlines the next physical action you need to take to move a project forward. For example, &#8220;Call Randy RE: PPP article idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with To Do lists is that they often list projects or goals. </p>
<p>To DO: Clean the Garage</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;TO DO&#8221; list in GTD. Let me repeat that… there is no “TO DO” list in GTD. Instead, there are Project/Desired Outcome and Next Physical Actions Lists</p>
<p>For example: </p>
<p>Project: Clean Garage So Jimmy Can Move in There<br />
Next Action: Call Uncle Bob RE: Does he want Old Fridge?</p>
<p>By defining the next physical action, the task no longer seems daunting. This helps combat procrastination. </p>
<p>Another major point that you have to understand is that you have to make decisions about your “stuff” up front. For example, you may get this email, “Ford, stop blogging and pick up the dry cleaning! – Love Mom.” Now you have to make some decisions about this request. </p>
<p>What do I do?</p>
<p>2 Minute Rule (Can I do this in two minutes?): Automatic Do – see below<br />
Do: Drive to dry cleaners RE: pickup<br />
Delegate: Tell little Billy to get the laundry (this would be captured on your Waiting For list)<br />
Defer – Specific time:  Drive to dry cleaners at noon RE: Pickup<br />
Defer – As soon as you can get to it: Drive to dry cleaners RE: Pickup<br />
Someday/Maybe: “She’s got enough clothes, maybe I’ll do it someday.”</p>
<p>Basically, David Allen’s GTD method solves the issues you are talking about</p>
<p>You were told, “One of the people who works for me froze up when his list got too long.” </p>
<p>Tell this person to buy two copies of David Allen’s Getting Things Done book: One for him/her and one for the employee. Then they should work together to implement the system. The boss should also help the employee determine what can be delegated. People often don’t delegate out of fear. “They won’t do it as well as I would.” We can’t let “perfect” be the enemy of “good enough.” </p>
<p>They need to work together to define projects/desired outcomes and determine the next physical action needed to move each project forward. Projects can not be done, only physical actions. </p>
<p>In reality, the average person should have about 200 next actions captured in their trusted system. If you don’t capture these things into a trusted system, you have 200 open loops floating around in your head. This is what causes frustration, procrastination, and inefficiency. </p>
<p>Here are some links you and your readers can check out to become more informed about the GTD Method.</p>
<p><a href="http://7pproductions.com/blog/2008/02/18/a-primer-on-getting-things-done/" rel="nofollow">http://7pproductions.com/blog/2008/02/18/a-primer-on-getting-things-done/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_things_done" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_things_done</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.davidco.com/what_is_gtd.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.davidco.com/what_is_gtd.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/15-10/ff_allen?currentPage=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/15-10/ff_allen?currentPage=all</a></p>
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