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	<title>Comments on: Rainmaking Problem #18:  Brand the Person or the Firm?</title>
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		<title>By: Glenn Mickle</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2009/06/10/rainmaking-problem-18-brand-the-person-or-the-firm/comment-page-1/#comment-36637</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Mickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very good arguements and opinions. One area not explored is succession. It&#039;s very difficult, but not impossible to sell your business if it&#039;s goodwill and reputation is based on your good name and personal skills. Examples of these are often more creative enterprises: chefs, photographers, designers. If your success is going to be based on your individual genius then go with your name because the two can&#039;t be seperated even if you do use a &quot;corporate&quot; moniker. But what if your success over the next 10 years or so is based on a systematic approach to how you do your thing?  If you&#039;d like to sell your business/system then a name that encompasses your market advantage (eg. &quot;Faster Finance&quot;) would be easier to sell. 
Having said all that Dick Smith, an entreprenuer here in Australia sold his business (Dick Smith Electronics) for many millions some years ago and then went on to start more businesses. I would assume though taht he sold a very good business system underpinning his success.
All the best
Glenn Mickle
Marketing Consultant
Morse Group
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very good arguements and opinions. One area not explored is succession. It&#8217;s very difficult, but not impossible to sell your business if it&#8217;s goodwill and reputation is based on your good name and personal skills. Examples of these are often more creative enterprises: chefs, photographers, designers. If your success is going to be based on your individual genius then go with your name because the two can&#8217;t be seperated even if you do use a &#8220;corporate&#8221; moniker. But what if your success over the next 10 years or so is based on a systematic approach to how you do your thing?  If you&#8217;d like to sell your business/system then a name that encompasses your market advantage (eg. &#8220;Faster Finance&#8221;) would be easier to sell.<br />
Having said all that Dick Smith, an entreprenuer here in Australia sold his business (Dick Smith Electronics) for many millions some years ago and then went on to start more businesses. I would assume though taht he sold a very good business system underpinning his success.<br />
All the best<br />
Glenn Mickle<br />
Marketing Consultant<br />
Morse Group<br />
Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Brodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks too Andy,

Although I&#039;m not sure I agree with your point about using a &quot;corporate name&quot; to compete with the bigger firms and differentiate from contractors. I&#039;m sure Ford and David Maister are well differentiated from contractors and easily compete with big firms even though their businesses are named after them.

Best regards

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks too Andy,</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m not sure I agree with your point about using a &#8220;corporate name&#8221; to compete with the bigger firms and differentiate from contractors. I&#8217;m sure Ford and David Maister are well differentiated from contractors and easily compete with big firms even though their businesses are named after them.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ford Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy

An excellent summary.

Ford Harding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy</p>
<p>An excellent summary.</p>
<p>Ford Harding</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Heys</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2009/06/10/rainmaking-problem-18-brand-the-person-or-the-firm/comment-page-1/#comment-34011</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Heys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work as a consultant for the &#039;Big5&#039; and then for a global strategy firm so have had experience of selling consulting with big brands behind me and then setting up my own company and relying on my reputation. Whilst the big brand does open some doors, my experience is that most clients still buy because they like and trust the individual they have the relationship with. 

Since setting up my own company, I feel much closer to my company brand and though my clients buy because of their relationship with me there is a lot of crossover. I have found it valuable to use the corporate brand to differentiate myself from &#039;day rate&#039; contractors and compete alongside other consulting firms bringing new ideas and solutions to clients. 

Of course alignment is critical; this approach will only work if you can actually compete with the knowledge leadership, research and quality of deliverables from the bigger consulting firms. If not, my advice is: Find a really specific niche, brand yourself and get very good at what you do, plenty of other people have done this and make a pretty decent living out of it. 

I hope this helps with your thinking

Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work as a consultant for the &#8216;Big5&#8242; and then for a global strategy firm so have had experience of selling consulting with big brands behind me and then setting up my own company and relying on my reputation. Whilst the big brand does open some doors, my experience is that most clients still buy because they like and trust the individual they have the relationship with. </p>
<p>Since setting up my own company, I feel much closer to my company brand and though my clients buy because of their relationship with me there is a lot of crossover. I have found it valuable to use the corporate brand to differentiate myself from &#8216;day rate&#8217; contractors and compete alongside other consulting firms bringing new ideas and solutions to clients. </p>
<p>Of course alignment is critical; this approach will only work if you can actually compete with the knowledge leadership, research and quality of deliverables from the bigger consulting firms. If not, my advice is: Find a really specific niche, brand yourself and get very good at what you do, plenty of other people have done this and make a pretty decent living out of it. </p>
<p>I hope this helps with your thinking</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ford Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Difficulties Posting Comments&lt;/strong&gt;

Mike Spack kindly informed me that there is a problem posting comments on this blog.  Until I get it fixed, if you have difficulty, please email me your post in I will publish it for you (fharding@HardingCo.com).

Mike&#039;s comment follows:

I re-branded myself using my name.  It has added clarity to my marketing, but I am not necessarily looking to become a large firm.  I would add Harry Beckwith to the list of marketing gurus discussed above.  He advises defaulting to your name as your brand, unless you can come up with a very strong reason against it.

A slight twist - you could keep the generic company name and blog under your name.  This allows the company to go on (if there are good reasons for that), but it would also allow you to develop the personal identity within the larger company.

Good luck!
Mike</description>
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<p>Mike Spack kindly informed me that there is a problem posting comments on this blog.  Until I get it fixed, if you have difficulty, please email me your post in I will publish it for you (fharding@HardingCo.com).</p>
<p>Mike&#8217;s comment follows:</p>
<p>I re-branded myself using my name.  It has added clarity to my marketing, but I am not necessarily looking to become a large firm.  I would add Harry Beckwith to the list of marketing gurus discussed above.  He advises defaulting to your name as your brand, unless you can come up with a very strong reason against it.</p>
<p>A slight twist &#8211; you could keep the generic company name and blog under your name.  This allows the company to go on (if there are good reasons for that), but it would also allow you to develop the personal identity within the larger company.</p>
<p>Good luck!<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Swanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THis is a relevant question especially given the tools we have available to brand ourselves. Twitter, Linked In and Facebook allow us to create an image of what we want to project to prospects, clients and referral partners. My sense is branding yourself is the best bet. In  professional services it is a relationship sale and if the prospect but does not know your brand, the firm brand will have little impact.

Best of luch sir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THis is a relevant question especially given the tools we have available to brand ourselves. Twitter, Linked In and Facebook allow us to create an image of what we want to project to prospects, clients and referral partners. My sense is branding yourself is the best bet. In  professional services it is a relationship sale and if the prospect but does not know your brand, the firm brand will have little impact.</p>
<p>Best of luch sir!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Brodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks all for such thoughtful replies.

In terms of where I see myself in 5 years, I originally thought I might grow an organisation - but over time have realised that what I enjoy most is personal, face to face work with clients, and on developing my own knowledge, capabilities and intellectual capital (and, of course, getting out and selling!). 

So I have no great desires to &quot;build an empire&quot; - or even an organisation bigger than myself. In fact, although I love working with others,  I don&#039;t really enjoy the administrative aspects of managing people and organisations.

So overall, I feel greatest affinity with Chuck&#039;s position.

But I must also admit, David&#039;s point about the separation of personal and professional life (or lack of if you are brandign yourself) just hadn&#039;t occured to me. It&#039;s an important one I need to consider.

Thanks again all

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks all for such thoughtful replies.</p>
<p>In terms of where I see myself in 5 years, I originally thought I might grow an organisation &#8211; but over time have realised that what I enjoy most is personal, face to face work with clients, and on developing my own knowledge, capabilities and intellectual capital (and, of course, getting out and selling!). </p>
<p>So I have no great desires to &#8220;build an empire&#8221; &#8211; or even an organisation bigger than myself. In fact, although I love working with others,  I don&#8217;t really enjoy the administrative aspects of managing people and organisations.</p>
<p>So overall, I feel greatest affinity with Chuck&#8217;s position.</p>
<p>But I must also admit, David&#8217;s point about the separation of personal and professional life (or lack of if you are brandign yourself) just hadn&#8217;t occured to me. It&#8217;s an important one I need to consider.</p>
<p>Thanks again all</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Willmot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Willmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brand both.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple brands.
In fact I have three:
1. Ric Willmot
2. Executive Wisdom (my company is Executive Wisdom Consulting Group)
3. &quot;The Strategist&quot; (this has been refined down from &quot;The Strategist to the Professions&quot;)

The brand is a motive force in generating action in the market to purchase. So why limit this motive force?

Would you only network at one Association meeting per year?
If you advertise, would you only advertise in one magazine per year?

Identify exactly which buyer you want to attract and use your brand that makes the most sense in that instance. This is the very reason why having multiple brands is compelling for those of us in, or marketing to the professions.

With that in mind, your brand should also help you to filter out those prospects you do NOT want to attract. Effective brands are elite, selective, and smart. Possibly, one brand cannot do all of that for you. And, so multiple branding makes a lot of sense.

Position your brands so that they put you in the best position to thrive!

Rgds,
Ric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brand both.<br />
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple brands.<br />
In fact I have three:<br />
1. Ric Willmot<br />
2. Executive Wisdom (my company is Executive Wisdom Consulting Group)<br />
3. &#8220;The Strategist&#8221; (this has been refined down from &#8220;The Strategist to the Professions&#8221;)</p>
<p>The brand is a motive force in generating action in the market to purchase. So why limit this motive force?</p>
<p>Would you only network at one Association meeting per year?<br />
If you advertise, would you only advertise in one magazine per year?</p>
<p>Identify exactly which buyer you want to attract and use your brand that makes the most sense in that instance. This is the very reason why having multiple brands is compelling for those of us in, or marketing to the professions.</p>
<p>With that in mind, your brand should also help you to filter out those prospects you do NOT want to attract. Effective brands are elite, selective, and smart. Possibly, one brand cannot do all of that for you. And, so multiple branding makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>Position your brands so that they put you in the best position to thrive!</p>
<p>Rgds,<br />
Ric</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ford Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian:

David, Martin, Chuck and Anne have provided an array of compelling arguments.  It is probably easier and faster and cheaper to brand the person, rather than the firm, so your horizon and budget are relevant factors, too.

Ford Harding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian:</p>
<p>David, Martin, Chuck and Anne have provided an array of compelling arguments.  It is probably easier and faster and cheaper to brand the person, rather than the firm, so your horizon and budget are relevant factors, too.</p>
<p>Ford Harding</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Martin.  In fact, I own my own business as well -- started in 2002 and continue to grow in both reputation and staff.  My goal was always to build something bigger than me.  As such, corporate branding was critical.  My corporate brand feeds my personal brand and my personal brand supports my corporate brand.  Other alliance partners and senior staff have strong brands that support the corporate brand as well.  You need to think about the brand promise in the context of the brand hierarchy and your core business proposition and operating model. 

Bottomline, I think you need to visit your business plan and think about how easy or difficult it would be to execute based on a personal brand versus a corporate brand.  

Good luck!  Feel free to contact me if you want to discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Martin.  In fact, I own my own business as well &#8212; started in 2002 and continue to grow in both reputation and staff.  My goal was always to build something bigger than me.  As such, corporate branding was critical.  My corporate brand feeds my personal brand and my personal brand supports my corporate brand.  Other alliance partners and senior staff have strong brands that support the corporate brand as well.  You need to think about the brand promise in the context of the brand hierarchy and your core business proposition and operating model. </p>
<p>Bottomline, I think you need to visit your business plan and think about how easy or difficult it would be to execute based on a personal brand versus a corporate brand.  </p>
<p>Good luck!  Feel free to contact me if you want to discuss.</p>
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