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	<title>Comments on: Rainmaker Problem #27: Pricing Work for Friends</title>
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		<title>By: Mycroft</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37070</link>
		<dc:creator>Mycroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm...value pricing means &quot;pricing BASED ON the client&#039;s value,&quot; not &quot;pricing EQUAL to the client&#039;s value.&quot; Presumably it means recovering your costs and then attempting to capture some of the (v-c) difference.  Not only does v vary across clients, the proportion you&#039;d try to capture does as well.

Whether you try to capture 100%, 70%, 50%, 30%, 10%, or 0% of this difference is entirely up to you.  I don&#039;t see anything that says friends can&#039;t get a better deal, but neither do I see anything wrong with trying to capture SOME of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230;value pricing means &#8220;pricing BASED ON the client&#8217;s value,&#8221; not &#8220;pricing EQUAL to the client&#8217;s value.&#8221; Presumably it means recovering your costs and then attempting to capture some of the (v-c) difference.  Not only does v vary across clients, the proportion you&#8217;d try to capture does as well.</p>
<p>Whether you try to capture 100%, 70%, 50%, 30%, 10%, or 0% of this difference is entirely up to you.  I don&#8217;t see anything that says friends can&#8217;t get a better deal, but neither do I see anything wrong with trying to capture SOME of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37069</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford,

Yes. I probably changed the direction a bit. Good catch. Perhaps I was making an imprecise mental shortcut that benefiting the friend&#039;s employer may tend to increase when the firm is larger (whereas the benefits may more likely accrue to the individual when the firm is smaller). Where the benefit accrues is a bit of a subjective measure and harder to price discriminate cleanly on. Probably why I was thinking fees based on size of client firm (e.g., revenues, profits) could possibly help manage the slippery slope ...

On whether there is a difference whether one is benefiting the friend or the friend&#039;s employer ... the pressure to discount should definitely decrease where the benefits accrue to the employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford,</p>
<p>Yes. I probably changed the direction a bit. Good catch. Perhaps I was making an imprecise mental shortcut that benefiting the friend&#8217;s employer may tend to increase when the firm is larger (whereas the benefits may more likely accrue to the individual when the firm is smaller). Where the benefit accrues is a bit of a subjective measure and harder to price discriminate cleanly on. Probably why I was thinking fees based on size of client firm (e.g., revenues, profits) could possibly help manage the slippery slope &#8230;</p>
<p>On whether there is a difference whether one is benefiting the friend or the friend&#8217;s employer &#8230; the pressure to discount should definitely decrease where the benefits accrue to the employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Harding</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37068</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

I wasn&#039;t seeing Question #3 as a matter of size so much as one of whether you are truly benefiting a friend or the friend&#039;s employer.

Ford Harding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t seeing Question #3 as a matter of size so much as one of whether you are truly benefiting a friend or the friend&#8217;s employer.</p>
<p>Ford Harding</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37067</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question #3 raises another interesting thought. Is price discrimination based on size of (customer) firm widely used? If so, what are varieties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question #3 raises another interesting thought. Is price discrimination based on size of (customer) firm widely used? If so, what are varieties?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37066</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;friend&quot; discounts are offered, it is probably still important to frame the offer in terms of value- or market-based pricing. That might help to address Ford&#039;s question #1 a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;friend&#8221; discounts are offered, it is probably still important to frame the offer in terms of value- or market-based pricing. That might help to address Ford&#8217;s question #1 a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Harding</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37065</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Bald Dog on this one.  If I can help a client earn an extra million dollars with five minutes of my time, why shouldn&#039;t I charge $100,000 for the service?

Three questions:

1&gt; Is there a risk that a client, even if a friend,  might devalue our services if we don&#039;t charge adequately for them?

2&gt; If the consultant owns his own firm, isn&#039;t one of the benefits being able to give a special rate to a client from time to time?

3&gt; Does the decision to discount change if the friend owns his own company instead of working for someone else?

Ford Harding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Bald Dog on this one.  If I can help a client earn an extra million dollars with five minutes of my time, why shouldn&#8217;t I charge $100,000 for the service?</p>
<p>Three questions:</p>
<p>1> Is there a risk that a client, even if a friend,  might devalue our services if we don&#8217;t charge adequately for them?</p>
<p>2> If the consultant owns his own firm, isn&#8217;t one of the benefits being able to give a special rate to a client from time to time?</p>
<p>3> Does the decision to discount change if the friend owns his own company instead of working for someone else?</p>
<p>Ford Harding</p>
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		<title>By: Tom "Bald Dog" Varjan</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37064</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom "Bald Dog" Varjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe value-pricing is the only fair pricing policy, so this is what I use with friends as well. If they find it too high, we stop and stay friends without doing business.

Pricing is not about the marginal cost plus a &quot;reasonable&quot; profit but about the results the buyers are seeking, and my value of my contribution to achieve it.

What does the buyer want to achieve by using my help and support?

What is the gap of the current situation and the expected new situation?

I say &quot;expected&quot; because as an outsider I can&#039;t control the results. I offer value and buyers have to integrate that value into their businesses to see new results.

Buyers make investments according to their expectations of the results. Some buyers intend to build pig pens and some intend to build castles, and they require different investments.

Investments are about the expected outcomes buyers are seeking not the invested costs and labour the consultant puts in.

I believe when we ask people to invest their own money in their own successes, we quickly learn how serious they actually are. 

The message as to whether or not they believe in their own abilities to achieve their goals and dreams becomes crystal clear whether or not they cough up the dough.

My thinking may be simplistic but as a farmer I&#039;ve learnt that I have to plant and no one can guarantee plentiful harvest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe value-pricing is the only fair pricing policy, so this is what I use with friends as well. If they find it too high, we stop and stay friends without doing business.</p>
<p>Pricing is not about the marginal cost plus a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; profit but about the results the buyers are seeking, and my value of my contribution to achieve it.</p>
<p>What does the buyer want to achieve by using my help and support?</p>
<p>What is the gap of the current situation and the expected new situation?</p>
<p>I say &#8220;expected&#8221; because as an outsider I can&#8217;t control the results. I offer value and buyers have to integrate that value into their businesses to see new results.</p>
<p>Buyers make investments according to their expectations of the results. Some buyers intend to build pig pens and some intend to build castles, and they require different investments.</p>
<p>Investments are about the expected outcomes buyers are seeking not the invested costs and labour the consultant puts in.</p>
<p>I believe when we ask people to invest their own money in their own successes, we quickly learn how serious they actually are. </p>
<p>The message as to whether or not they believe in their own abilities to achieve their goals and dreams becomes crystal clear whether or not they cough up the dough.</p>
<p>My thinking may be simplistic but as a farmer I&#8217;ve learnt that I have to plant and no one can guarantee plentiful harvest.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37063</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often find it difficult to even charge market rates with friends ... provided a distinction is being made between value-based pricing, what a client can afford, and market rates ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often find it difficult to even charge market rates with friends &#8230; provided a distinction is being made between value-based pricing, what a client can afford, and market rates &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.hardingco.com/blog/2010/01/13/rainmaker-problem-26-pricing-work-for-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-37062</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I suspect that a consultant is charging me based upon what they think I can pay, rather than their marginal cost plus a reasonable profit, I take my business elsewhere and will not refer them.  And we probably won&#039;t become friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I suspect that a consultant is charging me based upon what they think I can pay, rather than their marginal cost plus a reasonable profit, I take my business elsewhere and will not refer them.  And we probably won&#8217;t become friends.</p>
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